[FOM] question about intuitionistic set theory

Thomas Forster T.Forster at dpmms.cam.ac.uk
Tue Mar 9 02:39:38 EST 2010


Apparently it *is* cnsistent.  I remember Peter Aczel explaining this to 
me.  So: no, you are not missing anything. (If i remember correctly, he 
didn't exhibit a model, but explained how the naive proof strategy failed)




On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 jbell at uwo.ca wrote:

> I wonder if anyone could shed some light on the following question: is the 
> existence of an injection of N^N into N (the set of natural numbers) 
> consistent with intuitionistic set theory?  Diagonalization shows that there 
> can't be a bijection, in fact that there can be no surjection of N onto N^N. 
> But it is consistent with IST that there a subset U of N and a surjection 
> from U to N^N since this holds in the effective topos. If N^N were 
> injectible into N, then N^N would have to be decidable (and this does not 
> hold in the effective topos) but I can't see that this in itself would yield 
> enough excluded middle to make the existence of an injection of N^N into N 
> impossible. But maybe I'm missing something obvious!
> 
> -- John Bell
> 
> 
> Professor John L. Bell
> Department of Philosophy
> University of Western Ontario
> London, Ontario N6A 3K7
> Canada
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