881: Some Logical Thresholds

Thu Apr 29 23:49:29 EDT 2021

This posting is only tangentially related to any topics in Tangible
Incompleteness.

Let L be one of the usual languages we work with in mathematical
logic. In fact, just to be definite about it, let us first use LST =
language of set theory = predicate calculus with just epsilon and =.

Let us also assume that we have a reasonably robust notion of size of
a sentence in LST. What we really insist on is that for each n, the
number of sentences of size at most n is finite. A reasonable such
measure is first of all to allow all five of the usual propositional
connectives, both quantifiers, epsilon, and =. And we simply count the
total number of occurrences of variables. Yes, the number is infinite
because you can stack negation signs one on top of each other. So also
insist that there cannot be two negation signs in a row. So we are
looking at negation reduced formulas of LST.

Let KP = Kripke/Platek set theory (with infinity).

There will be a least number w[1] such that there is a sentence of
size w[1] which is neither provable nor refutable in KP.

There will be a least number w[2] such that the sentences of size <=
w[2] are not comparable under provability in KP.

There will be a least number w[3] such that the sentences of size <=
w[3] are not comparable under consistency strength over KP, where the
Con statements are to be compared by provability in PRA.

w[4], w[5], w[6] are the same with KP replaced by ZF\P.

w[7], w[8], w[9] are the same with KP replaced by Z.

w[10], w[11], w[12] are the same with KP replaced by ZF.

w[13], w[14], w[15] are the same with KP replaced by ZFC + there is a
measurable cardinal.

w[16], w[17], w[18] are the same with KP replaced by ZFC + I1.

Questions like this can be asked within the language of arithmetic,
with various specifics, and the language of second order arithmetic,
with various specifics.

Also, in BRT, we look at sentences based on Boolean equations. We
don't have anything like alternating quantifiers as we do above.
Linearity phenomena there in the region of complexity where we
classifications are remotely reasonable, should probably go quite far.

On a vaguely related note, there used to be an open problem of whether
any two Rosser sentences for PA (and other systems) are provably
equivalent over PA, or even over EFA. Is still problem still open?

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