[FOM] power of forcing/2
hmflogic at gmail.com
Sun Oct 13 02:35:58 EDT 2019
THIS POSTING is to clarify my recent FOM posting "power of forcing"
where I made the following conjecture:
"CONJECTURE. The conjunctions that are consistent with ZFC are also
demonstrably treatable using forcing over an arbitrary countable model
of ZFC + V = L + "there exists a strongly inaccessible cardinal"."
I want to clarify this conjecture and point out some known results
that are in the direction of REFUTING this conjecture. So there is a
lot to clarify.
Recall that A_1,...,A_n is a listing of the statements in the set
theory literature such that each
A_i and not A_i are demonstrably forced
in the sense that, provably in ZFC, there is a notion of forcing
whereby, provably in ZFC, some condition forces A_i (not A_i) over any
ground model of ZFC + V = L + "there exists a strongly inaccessible
cardinal". We include the inaccessible cardinal because of certain
prominent set theoretic statements at that level (perfect sets in
uncountably analytic sets, projective sets Lebesgue measurable, for
This is to clarify that the conjunctions I was referring to in the
Conjecture, are the conjunctions of two or more of the A's and their
negations. NOT JUST length n conjunctions of the A's and either
I think that it is best to avoid class forcing issues here, and
consider only Boolean extensions - i.e., set forcing (where the
forcing conditions form a set). See below for some really relevant
CONTINUUM HYPOTHESIS AND SUSLIN'S HYPOTHESIS
not CH (Cohen)
SH (Solovay Tennenbaum)
not SH.(Jech Tennenbaum).
CH + SH (Jensen)
CH + not SH (Jech Tennenbaum)
not CH + SH (Solovay Tennenbaum)
not CH + not SH (Jech Tennenbaum)
So it would seem that my Conjecture for conjunctions of length 2 is
already a challenge! How much more difficult is this for length 3?
GENERALIZED CONTINUUM HYPOTHESIS AND GENERALIZED SUSLIN'S HYPOTHESIS
If we only consider set forcing, then we can't include GCH or GSH in
the list A_1,...,A_n. However, if we allow class forcing, then
something interesting happens here.
It is not known if GCH + GSH is consistent. However, it has been shown
that "GCH + GSH implies the negation of the square principle at a
singular strong limit cardinal—in fact, at all singular cardinals and
all regular successor cardinals—it implies that the axiom of
determinacy holds in L(R) and is believed to imply the existence of an
inner model with a superstrong cardinal" according to
So this situation suggests that certain combinations of "sidewise" set
theoretic statements may be strongly connected to "vertical" set
theoretic statements - which are not forceable.
We have already alluded to working only with set forcing. Another
restriction is that the A's be required to be stated in third order
Another approach, especially if it turns out that the Conjecture is
fundamentally wrong headed, is to flat out identify a few favorite set
theoretic statements, and work on the conjunctions of those statements
and their negations.
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