# [FOM] 765: Large Cardinals and Emulations/44

Harvey Friedman hmflogic at gmail.com
Sun May 14 18:03:44 EDT 2017

```Coming back to the FINITENESS CONDITIONS presented first in
http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2017-May/020481.html

We have found an even better Finiteness Condition. This has been kind
of swimming in my head for years in various contexts, but somehow
never jelled properly into a Clear Simple Statement. This is kind of
shocking that I had not seen it clearly before.

NEW FINITENESS CONDITION. Let R containedin Q[0,1]^k x Q[0,1]^k. There
are finitely many p appearing in some element of R that alters some q
<= p.

NEW MAXIMAL EMULATION STATEMENT.  Any R containedin Q[0,1]^k x
Q[0,1]^k with the new finiteness condition that is order preserving
and does not alter 0 is ME usable.

Yes, it is UNFAIR to expect that you know all of the definitions here.
Q[0,1] = Q intersect [0,1].

R containedin Q[0,1]^k x Q[0,1]^k is ME usable means that for finite
subsets of Q[0,1]^k, some maximal emulation contains its image under
R.

(x,y) in Q[0,1]^k x Q[0,1]^k alters q if and only if there exists 1 <=
i <= k such that q = x_i iff q not= y_i. R containedin Q[0,1]^k x
Q[0,1]^k alters q if and only if some element of R alters q.

R is order preserving if and only if R(x,y) implies x,y are order equivalent.

The above New Proposition are provably equivalent to Con(SRP) over WKL_0.

The question arises as to whether ZFC is sufficient for dimension k =
3 and ZFC\P or Z_2 for dimension k = 2.

I just cannot tell at this point. HOWEVER, if we use r-emulations
instead of emulations = 2-emuations, quantifying over r, then I think
it likely that the previous paragraph is correct. And even for the
previous many times discussed

MAXIMAL EMULATION DROP/1. MED/1. For finite subsets of Q[0,1]^k, some
r-maximal emulation is drop equivalent at
(1,1/2,...,1/k),(1/2,...,1/k,1/k).

where we are quantifying over k,r. Ultimately, we should be able to
get independence from ZFC with k = 3 and very small r fixed, and
independence from ZFC/P with k = 2 and very small r fixed.

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700: Large Cardinals and Continuations/14  8/1/16  11:01AM
701: Extending Functions/1  8/10/16  10:02AM
702: Large Cardinals and Continuations/15  8/22/16  9:22PM
703: Large Cardinals and Continuations/16  8/26/16  12:03AM
704: Large Cardinals and Continuations/17  8/31/16  12:55AM
705: Large Cardinals and Continuations/18  8/31/16  11:47PM
706: Second Incompleteness/1  7/5/16  2:03AM
707: Second Incompleteness/2  9/8/16  3:37PM
708: Second Incompleteness/3  9/11/16  10:33PM
709: Large Cardinals and Continuations/19  9/13/16 4:17AM
710: Large Cardinals and Continuations/20  9/14/16  1:27AM
700: Large Cardinals and Continuations/14  8/1/16  11:01AM
701: Extending Functions/1  8/10/16  10:02AM
702: Large Cardinals and Continuations/15  8/22/16  9:22PM
703: Large Cardinals and Continuations/16  8/26/16  12:03AM
704: Large Cardinals and Continuations/17  8/31/16  12:55AM
705: Large Cardinals and Continuations/18  8/31/16  11:47PM
706: Second Incompleteness/1  7/5/16  2:03AM
707: Second Incompleteness/2  9/8/16  3:37PM
708: Second Incompleteness/3  9/11/16  10:33PM
709: Large Cardinals and Continuations/19  9/13/16 4:17AM
710: Large Cardinals and Continuations/20  9/14/16  1:27AM
711: Large Cardinals and Continuations/21  9/18/16 10:42AM
712: PA Incompleteness/1  9/23/16  1:20AM
713: Foundations of Geometry/1  9/24/16  2:09PM
714: Foundations of Geometry/2  9/25/16  10:26PM
715: Foundations of Geometry/3  9/27/16  1:08AM
716: Foundations of Geometry/4  9/27/16  10:25PM
717: Foundations of Geometry/5  9/30/16  12:16AM
718: Foundations of Geometry/6  101/16  12:19PM
719: Large Cardinals and Emulations/22
720: Foundations of Geometry/7  10/2/16  1:59PM
721: Large Cardinals and Emulations//23  10/4/16  2:35AM
722: Large Cardinals and Emulations/24  10/616  1:59AM
723: Philosophical Geometry/8  10/816  1:47AM
724: Philosophical Geometry/9  10/10/16  9:36AM
725: Philosophical Geometry/10  10/14/16  10:16PM
726: Philosophical Geometry/11  Oct 17 16:04:26 EDT 2016
727: Large Cardinals and Emulations/25  10/20/16  1:37PM
728: Philosophical Geometry/12  10/24/16  3:35PM
729: Consistency of Mathematics/1  10/25/16  1:25PM
730: Consistency of Mathematics/2  11/17/16  9:50PM
731: Large Cardinals and Emulations/26  11/21/16  5:40PM
732: Large Cardinals and Emulations/27  11/28/16  1:31AM
733: Large Cardinals and Emulations/28  12/6/16  1AM
734: Large Cardinals and Emulations/29  12/8/16  2:53PM
735: Philosophical Geometry/13  12/19/16  4:24PM
736: Philosophical Geometry/14  12/20/16  12:43PM
737: Philosophical Geometry/15  12/22/16  3:24PM
738: Philosophical Geometry/16  12/27/16  6:54PM
739: Philosophical Geometry/17  1/2/17  11:50PM
740: Philosophy of Incompleteness/2  1/7/16  8:33AM
741: Philosophy of Incompleteness/3  1/7/16  1:18PM
742: Philosophy of Incompleteness/4  1/8/16 3:45AM
743: Philosophy of Incompleteness/5  1/9/16  2:32PM
744: Philosophy of Incompleteness/6  1/10/16  1/10/16  12:15AM
745: Philosophy of Incompleteness/7  1/11/16  12:40AM
746: Philosophy of Incompleteness/8  1/12/17  3:54PM
747: PA Incompleteness/2  2/3/17 12:07PM
748: Large Cardinals and Emulations/30  2/15/17  2:19AM
749: Large Cardinals and Emulations/31  2/15/17  2:19AM
750: Large Cardinals and Emulations/32  2/15/17  2:20AM
751: Large Cardinals and Emulations/33  2/17/17 12:52AM
752: Emulation Theory for Pure Math/1  3/14/17  12:57AM
753: Emulation Theory for Math Logic  3/10/17  2:17AM
754: Large Cardinals and Emulations/34  3/12/17  12:34AM
755: Large Cardinals and Emulations/35  3/12/17  12:33AM
756: Large Cardinals and Emulations/36  3/24/17  8:03AM
757: Large Cardinals and Emulations/37  3/27/17  2:39AM
758: Large Cardinals and Emulations/38  4/10/17  1:11AM
759: Large Cardinals and Emulations/39  4/10/17  1:11AM
760: Large Cardinals and Emulations/40  4/13/17  11:53PM
761: Large Cardinals and Emulations/41  4/15/17  4:54PM
762: Baby Emulation Theory/Expositional  4/17/17  1:23AM
763: Large Cardinals and Emulations/42  5/817  2:18AM
764: Large Cardinals and Emulations/43  5/11/17  12:26AM

Harvey Friedman
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