[FOM] 681:Large Cardinals and Continuations/2

Harvey Friedman hmflogic at gmail.com
Wed Jun 1 04:01:20 EDT 2016


THIS POSTING IS SELF CONTAINED

In http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-May/019880.html I started
with a lot of background information about the kind of symmetry being
considered.

Here I want to headline the clear connection with the most elemental
intuitive features of a very basic biological system known to
preschoolers - specifically, seeds growing into plants.

1. PRESCHOOL BIOLOGY

1. Seeds lie under the ground. (Seeds are finite subsets V of Q^k|<0 =
the set of all elements of Q^k whose coordinates are all < 0).

2. Plants grow out of seeds. They are subject to a height restriction.
(Plants are subsets of Q^k|<=n = the set of all elements of Q^k whose
coordinates are all <= n).

3. Basic features of a plant growing from a seed are already present
in the seed. Like modern DNA theory. (A plant continues a seed, or
more generally, a plant continues a plant, if and only if the former
contains the latter, and every two element subset of the former is
isomorphic to some subset of the latter. More generally, a plant
r-continues a plant if and only if the former contains the latter, and
every r element subset of the former is isomorphic to some subset of
the latter.)

NOTE: In http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-May/019880.html we
used perpetuation for 3-continuation. I now want the greater
flexibility with the notation r-continuation, where continuations are
2-continuations.

4. Plants grow as much as they can subject to a height restriction (at
least assuming that the physical conditions are good). (We consider
maximal plants continuing a given seed in the sense of inclusion).

5. Plants exhibit lots of symmetry. (Maximal continuations of seeds
can always be found with some explicitly given partial self
embeddings, and also global self embeddings satisfying very simple
conditions).

In http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-May/019880.html, I only
presented the explicitly given partial self embeddings, and didn't use
global self embeddings. A partial self embedding is a 1-1 partial h:Q
into Q that works for all p's from dom(h). A global self embedding is
a partial self embedding whose domain is Q.

The reason I didn't use global self embeddings in
http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-May/019880.html was because
it is not yet clear that I get independence from ZFC this way. There
are some open issues.

NOTE: In a future revision, we will take spatial features more
seriously. We should seek dimension k = 3, which is the dimension of
your garden. Also, you garden isn't simply represented spatially by
Q^3|<=3, but a product of three more reasonable intervals, maybe not
all three the same interval.If we use k = 3, we will probably have to
use r-continuations, where r is at least somewhat greater than 2.

EMBEDDED MAXIMAL CONTINUATIONS (global). EMCg. For finite subsets of
Q^k|<0, some maximal continuation within Q^k|<=n has a self embedding
which pointwise fixes exactly the negative rationals.

EMBEDDED MAXIMAL CONTINUATIONS (partial). EMCp. For finite subsets of
Q^k|<0, some maximal continuation within Q^k|<=n is partially self
embedded by the function p if p < 0; p+1 if p = 0,...,n-1.

FINITE EMBEDDED MAXIMAL CONTINUATIONS. FEMC. For finite subsets of
Q^k|<0, some two successive finite rich 3-continuations within Q^k|<=n
are partially self embedded by the function p if p < 0; p+1 if p =
0,...,n-1.

Here rich is weaker than maximal, and only requires maximality with
respect to rational tuples of number theoretic height at most that of
the set being continued. Maximal continuations are generally infinite,
whereas rich continuations can be finite. But they need to be iterated
at least once to gain their tremendous logical power.

NOTE: The latter two statements appear in
http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-May/019880.html with n = k in
order to save a parameter. I changed my mind about using an additional
parameter here. I want the greater flexibility, e.g., for growth
spurts. Also I intend to show that k,n can both be taken to be tiny
integers (for incompleteness), but not necessarily the same tiny
integer.

NOTE: All three statements are implicitly Pi01 via the Goedel
Completeness Theorem. The latter two statements are equivalent to
Con(SRP) over WKL_0. However, we don't know if the first statement is
provable in ZFC.

NOTE: If we replace Q^k|<=n with Q^k in these three statements, then
we we not know if they become provable in ZFC.

2. GROWTH SPURTS - STEP MAXIMALITY

First we can grow from seed V to S maximally within Q^k|<=0. Then we
can grow from S to S' maximally within Q^k|<=1. Then we can grow from
S' to S'' maximally within Q^k|<=2. And so forth. Let S* be the union.

What symmetry are we expected to have for S*?

It will be useful to be more formal about this and make the following
definition. S is a step maximal continuation of finite V containedin
Q^k|<0 if and only if

*) Each S|<=n-1 is a maximal continuation of V within Q^k|<=n-1.
(Recall that by convention, n is a positive integer).

In terms of global symmetry, we want a global embedding of S* which
pointwise fixes exactly the negative rationals. We can ask for more:

EMBEDDED STEP MAXIMAL CONTINUATIONS (global). ESMCg. For finite
subsets of Q^k|<0, some step maximal continuation has a self embedding
which pointwise fixes the negative rationals and adds 1 to all
nonnegative integers.

EMBEDDED STEP MAXIMAL CONTINUATIONS (partial). ESMCp. For finite
subsets of Q^k|<0, some step maximal continuation is partially self
embedded by the function p if p < 0; p+1 if p is in N.

These statements are equivalent to Con(SRP) over WKL_0. They are
implicitly Pi01 via the Goedel Completeness Theorem.

3. SMOOTH GROWTH

The growth in section 2 is evidently much smoother than general growth
within Q^k.

We can try for the ultimate in smoothness:

**) For all p >= 0, S|<=p is a maximal continuation of V within Q^k|<=p.

Unfortunately, there are V for which we cannot attain **). But we can
get reasonably close to this in the following sense.

Define fld(S) to be the set of all coordinates of elements of S.

***) For all p >= 0, S|<=p is a maximal continuation of V within
(fld(S) union N)^k|<=p.

Thus we say that S is a smoothly maximal continuation of V if ***) holds.

EMBEDDED SMOOTHLY MAXIMAL CONTiNUATIONS. ESMC. For finite subsets of
Q^k|<0, some smoothly maximal continuation is embedded by the function
p if p < 0; p+1 otherwise.

ESMC is provably equivalent to Con(SRP) over WKL_0.

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Harvey Friedman


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