[FOM] 652: Pi01 Incompleteness Update/2

Harvey Friedman hmflogic at gmail.com
Sun Feb 7 22:06:29 EST 2016


Firstly, there was a very bad typo in

In Proposition A, I wrote

p if p < 0; p+1 if p in N.

which should be

p if p < 1; p+1 if p in Z+.


Here I will give a slightly different form of Proposition A in
http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-February/019470.html (here
called Proposition 2.1) that does not rely on the use of ambient
spaces for the notion of embedding.This is a purely expositional

Also, I continue to make improvements in explicitly Pi01
incompleteness. For the explicitly Pi01 statements, I now use the
upper shift function, ush, and the notions of reduction and basis.

I am still working on the explicitly Pi01 statement for HUGE promised earlier.

SRP is ZFC extended with the stationary Ramsey large cardinals. WKL_0
and EFA are standard weak systems for reverse mathematics.


DEFINITION 1.1. N is the set of all nonnegative integers, Q is the set
of all rationals. We use i,j,k,n,m,r for positive integers, and p,q
for rationals. Q[0,n] is Q intersect [0,n].

DEFINITION 1.2. x,y in Q^k are order equivalent if and only if for all
1 <= i,j <= k, x_i < x_j iff y_i < y_j. V containedin Q^k is order
invariant if and only if for all order equivalent x,y in Q^k, x in V
iff y in V. V containedin Q[0,n]^k is order invariant if and only if
for all order equivalent x,y in Q[0,n]^k, x in V iff y in V.

THEOREM 1.1. V containedin Q^k is order invariant if and only if V is
the union of equivalence classes of Q^k under order equivalence on
Q^k. V containedin Q[0,n]^k is order invariant if and only if V is the
union of equivalence classes of Q[0,n]^k under order equivalence on

DEFINITION 1.3. Let S containedin Q^k. S is partially embedded by h if
and only if

i. h is a partial function from Q into Q.
ii. For all x_1,...,x_k in Q, (x_1,...,x_k) in S iff (hx_1,...,hx_k) in S.

THEOREM 1.2. (straightforward) Every V containedin Q^k contains a
maximal S^2. I.e., an S^2 containedin V with no proper superset S'^2
containedin V. If k is odd then the unique maximal S^2 containedin V
is the empty set.

Some additional notions are used in sections 3,4.

DEFINITION 1.4. Let R containedin Q^2k and x,y in Q^k. x R-reduces to
y in R if and only if max(x) > max(y) and (x,y) in R. B is a basis for
A in R if and only if

i. A,B containedin Q^k.
ii. No element of B R-reduces to an element of B. (independence)
ii. If every coordinate of x in Q^k is a coordinate of some element of
A, then x in B or x R-reduces to an element of B. (spanning)

THEOREM 1.3. (straightforward)  In every R containedin Q^2k, every
finite S containedin Q^k has a finite basis. We can require that every
coordinate of every element of the basis for S in R be a coordinate of
some element of S, in which case the basis in R is unique, and is a
basis in R for itself.

DEFINITION 1.5. The upper shift of x in Q^k, written ush(x), results
from adding 1 to all nonnegative coordinates of x.

DEFINITION 1.6. The height of finite S containedin Q^k is the largest
of the magnitudes of the denominators and numerators of the elements
of S when put in reduced form.


PROPOSITION 2.1. Every order invariant V containedin Q[0,n]^k contains
a maximal S^2 partially embedded by the function p if p < 1; p+1 if p
in {1,...,n-1}.

Proposition 2.1 can be seen to be implicitly Pi01 via the Goedel
Completeness Theorem.

THEOREM 2.2. Proposition 2.1 is independent of ZFC, and in fact
provably equivalent to Con(SRP) over WKL_0.

THEOREM 2.3. Proposition 2.1 is refutable in RCA_0 if we replace "if p
in {1,...,n-1}" by "p >= 1".



PROPOSITION 3.1. In every order invariant R containedin Q^2k,
{0,...,k}^k has a finite basis B with a finite basis C containing B
and ush(C).

Obviously Proposiiton 3.1 is explicitly Pi02.

PROPOSITION 3.2. In every order invariant R containedin Q^2k,
{0,...,k}^k has a finite basis B with a finite basis C containing B
and ush(C), both of height at most (8k)!.

Obviously Proposition 3.2 is explicitly Pi01.

THEOREM 3.3. Propositions 3.1 and 3.2 are independent of ZFC, and in
fact provably equivalent to Con(SRP) over EFA. If we drop "and
ush(C)", these statements are provable in EFA.

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651: Pi01 Incompleteness Update  2/2/16  7:58AM

Harvey Friedman

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