[FOM] 668: Pi01 Incompleteness/SRP,HUGE/12

Harvey Friedman hmflogic at gmail.com
Thu Apr 7 18:33:22 EDT 2016


UPDATE. The writing is under reasonable control for Embedded Maximal
Squares. The proof that it implies Con(SRP) over WKL_0, or just that
it is independent of ZFC, is too delicate for half measures, and so
the writeup will be at the same level of detail as the BRT book
online.

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There has been substantial progress in the explicitly Pi01 form of
Embedded Maximal Squares. The one(x) in
http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-March/019585.html were
heavily quantitative. This new one(s) is qualitative. When stated
qualitatively, it is explicitly Pi-0-3. When bounds are introduced, it
becomes explicitly Pi01.

We only modify section 2 of
http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2016-March/019585.html Sections
1,3 remain the same.

2. EMBEDDED FINITELY MAXIMAL SQUARES AND POWERS

Recall for comparison:

EMBEDDED MAXIMAL SQUARES. For all order invariant V containedin Q^k,
some maximal S^2 containedin V|<=n is partially embedded by the
function p if p < 0; p+1 if p = 0,...,n-1.

EMBEDDED MAXIMAL POWERS. For all order invariant V containedin Q^k,
some maximal S^r containedin V|<=n is partially embedded by the
function p if p < 0; p+1 if p = 0,...,n-1.

The new finite forms are:

EMBEDDED FINITELY MAXIMAL SQUARES. For all order invariant V
containedin Q^k, some finitely n-order maximal S^2 containedin V|<=n
is partially embedded by the function p if p < 0; p+1 if p =
0,...,n-1.

EMBEDDED FINITELY MAXIMAL POWERS. For all order invariant V
containedin Q^k, some finitely n-order maximal S^r containedin V|<=n
is partially embedded by the function p if p < 0; p+1 if p =
0,...,n-1.

Here are the two supporting definitions.

DEFINITION 2.1. A,B containedin Q^k are n-order equivalent if and only
if A x {(0,...,n)} and B x {(0,...,n)} have the same elements up to
order equivalence.

DEFINITION 2.2. S^r containedin V|<=n is finitely n-order maximal if
and only if S is finite and every finite S^r containedin S'r
containedin V|<=n is n-order equivalent to S^r.

Note that these statements are explicitly Pi03. Moreover, we can bound
the magnitudes of the numerators and denominators in S and in
Definition 2.2 to put them in explicitly Pi01 form.

THEOREM 2.1. Embedded Finitely Maximal Squares and Embedded Finitely
Maximal Powers are provably equivalent to Con(SRP) over EFA.

We can also use graphs.

A NEW POINT. Various kinds of finitists and formalists may deny that
the above two statements are meaningful. However, if we use specific
numbers for k,n,r, then it becomes much harder to deny that the above
two statements are meaningful. We are expecting to be able to give a
lower bound, as a function of k,n,r, on the size of any proof in ZFC
of Embedded Finitely Maximal powers for k,n,r.

CONJECTURE. Any proof in ZFC of Embedded Finitely Maximal Powers with
k = n = r = 100 has at least 2^1000 bits even if we use any reasonable
sugaring of ZFC.

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Harvey Friedman


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