[FOM] Fwd: Re: analysis and set theory

D.R. MacIver drm39 at cam.ac.uk
Tue Jan 18 13:18:10 EST 2005

Just forwarding (with permission) a more complete explanation of the types 
of theorems in analysis which depend sensitively on the underlying set 
theoretic axioms that I sent to Randall Holmes. This should clarify my 
rather brief response to the email list as to why second order arithmetic 
isn't really enough for the kinds of analysis I'm interested in dealing 

I've chopped out the original email this is replying to, as well as various 
non-mathematical bits.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "D.R. MacIver" <drm39 at cam.ac.uk>
To: Randall Holmes <holmes at diamond.boisestate.edu>
Subject: Re: analysis and set theory
Date: 12 Jan 2005 19:05:00 +0000

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Two major examples are the study of measure theory and automatic continuity 
in banach algebras - both of these are affected by the presence of the 
continuum hypothesis.

For example, consider a function f : [0, 1]^2 -> [0, 1]. Fubini's theorem 
says that whenever this function is measurable then the two iterated 
integrals Int ( Int f(x, y) dx) dy and Int ( Int f(x, y) dy ) dx are equal. 
Does a generalised version of this hold? i.e. whenever the functions x -> 
f(x, y) and y -> f(x, y) are measurable (for fixed x,y respectively) and 
the iterated integrals exist, are they equal? The answer proves to be 
independent of ZFC, but CH (indeed MA is enough) settles this question with 
the answer no.

Automatic continuity is a more subtle area. The fundamental question is the 
following: Let X be a conpact hausdorff space, C(X) the banach algebra of 
continuous complex valued functions on X. Let B be another banach algebra. 
Is every homomorphism C(X) -> B continuous. Again, the answer is 
independent of ZFC. (And again, CH answers the question negatively).

See the references I provided in the FOM mailing list (particularly Woodin 
and Dales, and Cierpinski) for more details of the above.

Incidentally, as to the question of whether choice makes a difference, the 
primary concern is how weakened forms of choice make a difference. For 
example if we wanted to instead work in ZF + AD, we get some rather nice 
consequences (dependent choice works, which is enough for a good deal of 
classical and functional analysis, but all subsets of R are measurable).

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