[FOM] 223:Better Pi01 Independence

Harvey Friedman friedman at math.ohio-state.edu
Tue Nov 2 11:15:15 EST 2004

We introduce a new line of explicitly Pi01 statements requiring large
cardinals to prove, which feel substantially better than the line of Pi01
statements discussed in posting #222.

Especially, see Proposition 3 below.

This development of course does not obsolete the BRT development in any way,
shape, or form. However, the explicitly Pi01 statements below are
substantially better than any explicitly Pi01 statements presently coming
out of the BRT development.


Let N be the set of all nonnegative integers. Let R containedin Np+k. Let E
containedin Np. We write

R<[E] = {y in Nk: (therexists x in Np)(R(x,y) and max(x) < max(y)}.

R<[E] is read "the upper image of R on E".

THEOREM 1. Let k,r >= 1 and R containedin Nkr+k. There exists a unique A
containedin Nk such that A U. R<[Ar] = Nk.

Let q >= 0 and a1,...,aq >= 0. We say that R containedin Np is order
invariant over a1,...,aq if and only if for all x,y in Np, if
(x,a1,...,aq),(y,a1,...,aq) have the same order type then x in R iff y in R.

Let u >= 0. E without u is the set of all elements of E none of whose
coordinates are u.

PROPOSITION 2. Let k,r,t >= 1 and R,S1,S2,... containedin Nkr+k each be
order invariant over some t factorials. There exists A containedin Nk such
that every nonempty Si[Ar] meets A U. R<[Ar] without (8krt)!!-1.

Here, different Si may use different factorials.

Obviously, if we remove "without (8krt)!!-1" then Proposition 2 immediately
follows from Theorem 1.

PROPOSITION 3. Let k,r,t,n >= 1 and R,S1,S2,...,Sn containedin Nkr+k each be
order invariant over some t factorials. There exists finite A containedin
Nk such that every nonempty Si[Ar] meets A U. R<[Ar] without (8krt)!!-1.

If we remove "without (8krt)!!-1" then Proposition 3 becomes provable in EFA
(exponential function arithmetic).

We can be more explicit about A.

PROPOSITION 4. Let k,r,t,n,m >= 1 and R,S1,S2,...,Sn containedin Nkr+k each
be order invariant over some t of the first m factorials. There exists a
finite A containedin [0,(8krtnm)!!]k such that every nonempty Si[Ar] meets A
U. R<[Ar] without (8krt)!!-1.

Clearly Proposition 3 is explicitly Pi02 and Proposition 4 is explicitly

NOTE: The quantities in Propositions 3,4 are ridiculously crude and can be
greatly reduced. We will worry about this later, when things stabilize. They
are safe.

THEOREM 5. Propositions 2-4 are each provably equivalent, over RCA0, to the
consistency of MAH = ZFC + {there exists an n-Mahlo cardinal}_n. If we
remove "without (8krt)!!-1" then they become provable in RCA0. In the case
of Propositions 3-4, we can use EFA instead of RCA0.


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This is the 223rd in a series of self contained numbered postings to
FOM covering a wide range of topics in f.o.m. The list of previous
numbered postings #1-149 can be found at
http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2003-May/006563.html  in the FOM
archives, 5/8/03 8:46AM. Previous ones counting from #150 are:

150:Finite obstruction/statistics  8:55AM  6/1/02
151:Finite forms by bounding  4:35AM  6/5/02
152:sin  10:35PM  6/8/02
153:Large cardinals as general algebra  1:21PM  6/17/02
154:Orderings on theories  5:28AM  6/25/02
155:A way out  8/13/02  6:56PM
156:Societies  8/13/02  6:56PM
157:Finite Societies  8/13/02  6:56PM
158:Sentential Reflection  3/31/03  12:17AM
159.Elemental Sentential Reflection  3/31/03  12:17AM
160.Similar Subclasses  3/31/03  12:17AM
161:Restrictions and Extensions  3/31/03  12:18AM
162:Two Quantifier Blocks  3/31/03  12:28PM
163:Ouch!  4/20/03  3:08AM
164:Foundations with (almost) no axioms 4/22/03  5:31PM
165:Incompleteness Reformulated  4/29/03  1:42PM
166:Clean Godel Incompleteness  5/6/03  11:06AM
167:Incompleteness Reformulated/More  5/6/03  11:57AM
168:Incompleteness Reformulated/Again 5/8/03  12:30PM
169:New PA Independence  5:11PM  8:35PM
170:New Borel Independence  5/18/03  11:53PM
171:Coordinate Free Borel Statements  5/22/03  2:27PM
172:Ordered Fields/Countable DST/PD/Large Cardinals  5/34/03  1:55AM
173:Borel/DST/PD  5/25/03  2:11AM
174:Directly Honest Second Incompleteness  6/3/03  1:39PM
175:Maximal Principle/Hilbert's Program  6/8/03  11:59PM
176:Count Arithmetic  6/10/03  8:54AM
177:Strict Reverse Mathematics 1  6/10/03  8:27PM
178:Diophantine Shift Sequences  6/14/03  6:34PM
179:Polynomial Shift Sequences/Correction  6/15/03  2:24PM
180:Provable Functions of PA  6/16/03  12:42AM
181:Strict Reverse Mathematics 2:06/19/03  2:06AM
182:Ideas in Proof Checking 1  6/21/03 10:50PM
183:Ideas in Proof Checking 2  6/22/03  5:48PM
184:Ideas in Proof Checking 3  6/23/03  5:58PM
185:Ideas in Proof Checking 4  6/25/03  3:25AM
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187:Grand Unification 2 - saving human lives 7/2/03 10:39AM
188:Applications of Hilbert's 10-th 7/6/03  4:43AM
189:Some Model theoretic Pi-0-1 statements  9/25/03  11:04AM
190:Diagrammatic BRT 10/6/03  8:36PM
191:Boolean Roots 10/7/03  11:03 AM
192:Order Invariant Statement 10/27/03 10:05AM
193:Piecewise Linear Statement  11/2/03  4:42PM
194:PL Statement/clarification  11/2/03  8:10PM
195:The axiom of choice  11/3/03  1:11PM
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207:On foundations of special relativistic kinematics 2  1/26/04  12:18AM
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209:Faithful Representation in Set Theory with Atoms 1/31/04 7:18AM
210:Coding in Reverse Mathematics 1  2/2/04  12:47AM
211:Coding in Reverse Mathematics 2  2/4/04  10:52AM
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213:On foundations of special relativistic kinematics 5  2/8/04  9:33PM
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215:Special Relativity Corrections  2/24/04 8:13PM
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217:New new Pi01 statements  6/13/04  9:59PM
218:Unexpected Pi01 statements  6/13/04  9:40PM
219:Typos in Unexpected Pi01 statements  6/15/04  1:38AM
220:Brand New Corrected Pi01 Statements  9/18/04  4:32AM
221:Pi01 Statements/getting it right  10/7/04  5:56PM
222:Statements/getting it right again  10/9/04  1:32AM

Harvey Friedman

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